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Combining the U-Net model and a Multi-textRG algorithm for fine SAR ice-water classification
Abstract. Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR)-based sea ice classification faces challenges due to the similarity among surfaces such as wind-driven open water (OW), smooth thin ice, and melted ice surfaces. Previous algorithms combine pixel-based and region-based machine learning methods or statistical classifiers, yet struggle with hardly improved accuracy arrested by the fuzzy surfaces and limited manual labels. In this study, we propose an automated algorithm framework by combining the semantic segmentation of ice regions and the multi-stage detection of ice pixels to produce high-accuracy and high-resolution ice-water classification data. Firstly, we used the U-Net convolutional neural networks model with the well processed GCOM-W1 AMSR2 36.5 GHz H polarization, Sentinel-1 SAR EW dual-polarization data, and CIS/DMI ice chart labels as data inputs to train and perform semantic segmentation of major ice distribution regions with near-100 % accuracy. Subsequently, within the U-Net semantically segmented ice region, we redesigned the GLCM textures and the HV/HH polarization ratio of Sentinel-1 SAR images to create a combined texture, which served as the basis for the Multi-textRG algorithm to employ multi-stage region growing for retrieving ice pixel details. We validated the SAR classification results on Landsat-8 and Sentinel-2 optical data yielding an overall accuracy (OA) of 84.9 %, a low false negative (FN) of 4.24 % indicating underestimated low backscatter ice surfaces, and a higher false positive (FP) of 10.8 % reflecting their resolution difference along ice edges. Through detailed analyses and discussions of classification results under the similar ice and water conditions mentioned at the beginning, we anticipate that the proposed algorithm framework successfully addresses accurate ice-water classification across all seasons and enhances the labelling process for ice pixel samples.
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-2760', Anonymous Referee #1, 02 Jun 2025
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In this manuscript a U-Net model combined with Multi-textRG algorithm has been proposed for fine ice-water classification on SAR imagery from AI4Arctic dataset. Overall the manuscript is clearly written with sufficient details. However, as U-Net and other techniques such as GLCM feature extraction has already been broadly used for sea ice mapping and particularly in AI4Arctic dataset. The manuscript should further emphasize the novelty in terms of methodology in this research, as well as comparison with previous methods as baselines. Detailed comments are listed below.
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- The authors mentioned in the abstract that the proposed algorithm successfully addresses ice–water classification across all seasons. However, during the evolution of sea ice, the proportion of ice types presented by different seasonal patterns is unstable. In warmer seasons, melting ice surfaces affect the classification results, while in colder seasons, snow cover on sea ice also influences the outcomes. The authors did not evaluate the algorithm’s performance under varying environmental conditions, indicating a lack of demonstrated adaptability and effectiveness in different seasonal contexts. This limitation should be clearly emphasized and analyzed.
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- The authors stated that the framework is primarily designed for ice-covered regions and wind-driven open water areas. However, wind forcing can also affect the classification accuracy within ice-covered regions. Therefore, the authors should clarify how wind-driven dynamics influence the classification performance across different types of ice-covered areas.
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- In the third paragraph, the authors claimed that the algorithm combining CNN with empirical methods represents the optimal automatic approach for sea ice labeling. However, the evidence supporting this conclusion appears overly strong, as there is insufficient experimental validation to substantiate the claim of optimal performance. Multiple experimental results are needed to support such a conclusion. Furthermore, the proposed algorithm lacks comparative analysis with other sea ice classification methods, whether quantitative or qualitative, which further weakens the assertion of its superiority.
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- Line 105, the related publication concerning the AutoIce Challenge should be mentioned here (doi: 10.5194/tc-18-3471-2024), which would facilitate readers to refer to this particular challenge and its details.
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- Line 120, the U-Net-based model has already been further improved by the AutoIce participants using a bunch of techniques and achieved relatively high accuracy in the AI4Arctic dataset (illustrated in doi: 10.5194/tc-18-3471-2024 and doi: 10.5194/tc-18-1621-2024). According to Fig. 2, it seems that the U-Net used in this research has the same architecture as the one used in the challenge. Therefore, it is necessary to illustrate how the U-Net-based method proposed in this research different from the previous ones. It is also necessary to implement those U-Net-based models as benchmarks to compare with the proposed method in the manuscript.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Yan Sun, 07 Jun 2025
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We sincerely appreciate the reviewer’s insightful comments and constructive feedback. Our detailed responses to each point have been provided in the attached supplementary PDF file. We are glad to engage in further discussion if additional clarifications are needed.
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CC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-2760', Morteza Karimzadeh, 16 Jun 2025
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1. To clearly demonstrate the effectiveness of the proposed U-Net + Multi-textRG approach, it is necessary to include a quantitative comparison table showing the performance of the baseline U-Net model. While the paper reports an overall accuracy (OA) of 84.9% for the proposed approach, validated using Landsat-8 and Sentinel-2 optical data, no equivalent performance metrics (e.g., OA, false positive rate, false negative rate) are provided for the baseline model. Including these results is required to have a first assessment of improvement of this approach upon the baseline model and to clarify the contribution of the Multi-textRG algorithm.
2. The authors validate their U-Net + Multi-textRG method using optical imagery from Landsat-8 and Sentinel-2, but there are still some concerns about how accurate and reliable the created labels are for evaluating a SAR-based classification model. The ground truth is based on QA snow/ice signs from optical data, with further refinement using MNDWI and manual visual interpretation. While these steps show a careful attempt to improve the label quality, they also introduce some uncertainty, for example, it’s not clear how consistent the manual corrections were, how the MNDWI threshold was selected, or how cloud-related misclassifications were handled across scenes. It’s important to note that optical and SAR sensors are sensitive to fundamentally different surface properties, and the QA-based snow/ice signs, despite being algorithmically generated, aren’t always reliable, especially under thin or patchy cloud cover. Even with visual correction, the final labels may still be subjective and difficult to reproduce. To further strengthen the assessment, it would be worth providing results on an SAR-based dataset such as ExtremeEarth, which includes pixel-level, high-quality annotations directly derived from Sentinel-1 images. If not, this limitation of the work should be clearly discussed and the claims of the paper modified to tone down.
3. The authors applied the Multi-textRG algorithm as a separate, post-processing procedure following the primary segmentation by the U-Net model. This approach is computationally inefficient, but more importantly, it appears that Multi-textRG refinement is non-learnable and end-to-end trainability is not supported, which defeats the purpose of deep learning-based approaches. The approach also introduces additional overhead and therefore may be less suitable for operational or large-scale applications. Current studies have also suggested that texture information (e.g., GLCM texture features) can be more effectively utilized when incorporated into the model during training. For instance, the article "Deep learning techniques for enhanced sea-ice types classification in the Beaufort Sea via SAR imagery" explains how the application of GLCM-based texture information during training can be utilized to improve the classification of sea ice using a Dual-Branch U-Net (DBU-Net).
4. The paper lacks a quantitative comparison with more recent state-of-the-art sea ice segmentation models or any other recognized baseline to make it suitable for publication at a high-end journal. It would be helpful to include comparisons with deep learning-based approaches such as DeepLabv3, which captures multiscale textural information through atrous spatial pyramid pooling and has showed improvement on benchmarks such as AutoICE. Including such comparisons would help clearly demonstrate the effectiveness of the proposed method relative to baseline models that support end-to-end training and are more easily replaceable and adaptable in operational or large-scale settings.
5. While the use of GLCM features here is well grounded in earlier work, the specific selection of Sum Average and Contrast features, together with chosen window sizes, normalization intervals, and nonlinear HV/HH ratio transformation functions, appears to be based primarily on internal experimentation using the J-M distance metric. These choices are not justified through ablation or sensitivity analysis, and their individual contribution or robustness is hard to assess, particularly when used on other SAR observations. Ideally, further experiments in larger and more polar regions are also necessary to evaluate the robustness of the proposed algorithm as stated in this paper, but at the very least, more ablation can shot the value of the work.
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